If anyone feels this puts defenders at a disadvantage or is unfair in any way, please comment in the thread

A siege tag system only really works if there's a ship pilot cooldown I think, similar for regions. That way battles are fair.

I do agree that there needs to be an expansion of the siegezone however, I sunk Vorn26 outside scapa_flow and he did not sink for points at all.

I completely disagree with the idea no strategy exists, there are a myriad of crafts and strategies as discussed yesterday in the questions channel. Landing crafts are one example, they were intended for coastal sieges as such. I think we need more sieges that challenge the incredibly boring state of current rock paper scissors we have in most land areas apart from forts were the terrain doesnt allow certain strategies.

i agree with what contt has to say i just want to mention that the mechanic which stops non participants from damaging a fort would have to get balanced somehow bc if this goes through than they could just roam free and sink crafts without any borders (technically) <3

> Landing crafts are one example

A single salvo disables the crafts on them entirely, which leaves zero margin for error in deployment. I know you can say it's their fault for allowing the craft to be attacked but the given margin is not realistic at all, its like a one shot failstate

> I completely disagree with the idea no strategy exists

The issue is any practical strategy existing which allows the attackers to even have a chance at contesting, which is impossible in some scenarios, especially Dragor_Castle, where almost every single land around the fort is claimed, making the closest option aside from port Royal being Meowngolia, which is 1830 blocks away from the fort, and if you think attackers shoiuld be forced to traverse that much and pvp, and then return then attackers are spending the entire siege traveling instead of fighting, while defenders sit on the banner with full repots and zero pressure. There is no "strategy" here with the current features

> A siege tag system only really works if there's a ship pilot cooldown I think, similar for regions. That way battles are fair.

Yeah that it is needed as well (for naval crafts atleast), stops from spam repull though i dont know if the duration should be the same as regions

Landing crafts can have an insane amount of terracotta to the point they are abused as cargo so thats a non issue.

And yes, we found a strategically useful place for a fort and made the best situation of it. The same way you could argue thexans terrain makes pulling movecraft or storing any mvoecraft as an offensive siegebase entirely redundent or difficult.

Landing craft pulls could be done, use of ships rotations could be completed.

attempting to change the server because your nation was caught sleeping is kinda iffy. The current siege system was not intended by staff, its a tradition that players have made overtime, it shouldnt be acceptable to change said system because it doesnt fit a dogmatic view of a certain faction.

> attempting to change the server because your nation was caught sleeping is kinda iffy. The current siege system was not intended by staff, its a tradition that players have made overtime, it shouldnt be acceptable to change said system because it doesnt fit a dogmatic view of a certain faction.

I dont appreciate this framing. Im not suggesting changes because my nation was caught sleeping, I'm suggesting mechanics to make naval sieges better.
The current siege system may not have been originally designed by staff, but it has been tweaked over five years of updates to keep pace with the evolving meta for example night cap prevention, reversal nerfs, point cap multipliers, and so on. The idea that the system is some untouchable tradition isn't accurate, it has always been adjusted as new situations arise. Naval forts are simply the newest situation.
So I'd appreciate it if this suggestion stopped being read as a copepost about a meta my faction got caught off guard by, and started being read as what it actually is Which IS a proposal to suggest new mechanics

> And yes, we found a strategically useful place for a fort and made the best situation of it. The same way you could argue thexans terrain makes pulling movecraft or storing any mvoecraft as an offensive siegebase entirely redundent or difficult.

The east side of Thexan is open and isn't filled with steep mountains, and players can also submit terraforming requests if terrain is genuinely an obstacle. The Thexan situation makes pulling movecraft difficult not impossible (crafts were in fact pulled in the siege being referenced). As I've said, this suggestion isn't a call to ban naval forts.

> Landing crafts can have an insane amount of terracotta to the point they are abused as cargo so thats a non issue.

Having enough armor =/= non-issue.
The concern isn't whether the landing craft itself sinks it's that shells hitting the crafts inside the landing craft, even once, can disable them. That's the part the original statement didn't address.