Aliitsme between you and turtle, you guys have complained about every form of combat besides vanilla pvp, even then which there was a suggestion that it should be 1.3x damage. Ccnet isn't solely a PvP server, which you've been told many times. You've been outnumbered like 3:1 most the time. On the first day you ran out of pots and mats. What do you expect to happen?

if you outnumber us 3:1 why do you use guns when the majority of your players are pvpers
at least on foot you can somewhat contest 3:1 but on guns you cant even leave the siegebase.

i jumped off the siegebase and got killed before i hit the ground. thats insane, 7 of you shooting me mid air.

and solomon, youre a special case you know its broken and you keep exploiting it because its the only reason you can win.

i myself have gotten more kills then the entirity ofjapan at their own siege.
thats embarassing.

shooting requires no skill and we are outnumbered so we just lose ?

thats that? we cant do anything about it? do we just suck it up and quit ccnet? is that the meta

nerf guns

Or just use movecraft, but you actually have to print that. Everything has a counter. But you didn't gunspam during sessions, didn't print any movecraft and expect to win when on top of that being outnumbered. It's pretty absurd to expect that.

Ali you are forgetting something that you are the one who sieged Japan and it seems like your problem attacking bigger alliances than yours how is it the guns or the gun stackings problems when you are fighting the siege alone like it was only you and there were 10 gunspammers gunning you thats not the guns fault there was 10 guns shooting at you and a machinegun suppressing you like how do you think you wont die in a 10 v 1 you are not him if you had 10 pvpers pushing the 10 gunspammers you would kill them you just attacked a bigger nation and you have to face the consequesnes.

concealing alt tiger. attakcing"bigger alliances then yours" you mean the weakest link in the enemy alliance?

we had 18, you had 30, just being outnumbered doesnt mean its mpossible to win.


"10 pvpers pushing the 10 gunspammers you would kill them"
meaning
if you had 20 pvpers you kill the 20 gunspammers

if you had 30 pvpers you kill the 30 gunspammers

lets use our thinking caps

we have 10 they have 30.

One of the main causes of the nightcap meta that's been so prevalent through the last few months is due to the pointlessness of fighting outnumbered. Neither side can fight when the other side is awake, which means fighting while you are outnumbered, probably sleep deprived due to it being late into the night due to your enemies being Americans/Europeans/Asians is made so miserable by guns (dropping in under a second, using 4 inventories of pots and dying without even needing to repair your armor, etc.) that it simply isn't worth doing.

If you want the server to become a nightcap war between Americans and Europeans, then you want guns to be in the game, if you don't, then you don't want guns to be in the game.

Why can't movecraft be the crutch for non-pvpers like when guns were removed? It's a fun unique experience that, due to the immense development done on movecraft, is almost entirely unique to ccnet. Guns are simply a bad mechanic altogether, and in my opinion, should be removed altogether.

I didn't have this opinion before, even when guns pretty much singlehandedly won multiple sieges against rome, even after the Livland sieges and the cancer that brought I didn't fully support their removal, but after these last few months and seeing the meta change to the point where everyone, even pvpers much better than the average player, are just mass spamming guns and dropping people in under a second (yes I can show clips of this happening multiple times) I don't understand how any reasonable person could enjoy this meta.

its pointless talking to you at this point your just offending ali but i guess you do you whatever

and also i am in the enemy team that you said "even enemy team agrees" noone does btw if they do show proof

Wrecker considering you should be perma rn and haven't been to recent sieges idk if you really have an opinion on the matter, maybe if you spent less time sticking up for your lying team you can see your team exploiting

why am i catching a stray, i didnt say anything abt guns. also crazy strawman fallacy i'm not tryna make it pure vanilla pvp, that's just dumb for ccnet. i just think it should be like movecraft = sword => guns. guns were meant to be a crutch for new players or non pvpers so they aren't useless in a siege. imo they should be slightly (not by a lot) weaker than an average ccnet pvper, especially in close range. pvpers put a lot of work to get good, just like movecrafters spend hours designing the best crafts, so why should there be a mechanic to completely negate that? yeah there can be smth to somewhat level the playing field, but it shouldn't make guns downright better. guns have almost no risk to using them and they're much easier to use than swords (as intended), so that doesn't mean they should be better...

the problem is that guns are def better than swords tho, even in close range. idk what this dude was doing, but i was getting spam hit by a gun and it was doing more damage to me than i was doing to him, even tho i started with health advantage https://streamable.com/s85u69 ._.

also multiple pvpers were just out damaging me with a gun while i was critting them out 1 block away, so i just had to run. the problem is u can't make an op mechanic to help new players and not expect pvpers to use it. being a pvper means u are probably good at video games, so they will almost always be better at gun spamming than anyone else. a lot of the op mechanics that were nerfed were abused by pvpers. the only pvpers that aren't using guns now are by choice because they just dont find them as fun

While I believe guns should be equal to PvP, and viable as an alternative form on the same level. Damage stacking might go too

Might gone too far*

Like guns should be good in their own right but it's kinda impossible to sword pvp if guns stack damage so heavily.

1 your skill issue lagging just cause you have a bad internet doesent mean server should be changed for u
2 you are trying to solo a bigger alliance what do you expect the deffenders to do not gunspam?
3ccnet IS LETERALLY ROCK PAPER SCISORS TAKE OUT SOME MOVECRAFT AND YK PREP YOUR SIEGE INSTEAD OF MAKING BIAS SUGGESTIONS

since when do i live for pvp

"1 your skill issue lagging just cause you have a bad internet doesent mean server should be changed for u" - that's honestly really unfair and selfish thing to say because a decent amount of the community are laggers, so if a whole form of combat is almost unusable by a large group of players, then maybe balance it a bit more. it's not his fault he lives where he and other people live, so saying skill issue on that is just really messed up and wrong

"2 you are trying to solo a bigger alliance what do you expect the deffenders to do not gunspam?"
maybe i'm interoperating this wrong, but it kinda sounds like u admit that they're too op and it'd be dumb to not abuse it

"3ccnet IS LETERALLY ROCK PAPER SCISORS TAKE OUT SOME MOVECRAFT AND YK PREP YOUR SIEGE INSTEAD OF MAKING BIAS SUGGESTIONS"
rock paper scissors? huh? movecraft counters gun spammers, movecraft, and pvpers. gun spammers counter gun spammers and pvpers. pvpers counter pvpers. how is that even close to rock paper scissors? pvpers don't counter anything except pvpers. that's not rock paper scissors... maybe movecraft itself is rock paper scissors, but that doesn't include pvpers or gun spammers. "take out some movecraft" is such a funny argument cuz the exact same argument could be used against it "just swing your sword". it's way more complicated than just take out some movecraft, just like it's way more complicated than swinging a sword. i really hate when people just say to just use movecraft cuz that part of the community is locked behind the players that have studied every aspect of it for years now, making it hard for any new players or nations to try and accomplish it without getting dusted. i just got bullied by movecrafters talking about how terrible my tanks are, so it's obvious it requires way more than just "use movecraft." u have to learn what craft, cannon, and ammo to use in ever scenario, how to make a good design, learn how to fight with it, and actually do it in practice. maybe that's easy to some people, but it's not so easy for others. i don't really care that it's hard and i like that things take skill, but i don't like that this same argument was used for buffing guns. as i said in my previous comment, the main motive for it was to put people who dont want to learn how to pvp at a somewhat level playing field. i am completely fine with this, and i think guns that do 1-1.5 hearts (slightly less than swords) are great for new players. it's not so op that the actual good players abuse it like crazy like they are rn, but also being a viable and risk-free option for new players to fight in sieges. now to circle back to the movecraft part i mentioned earlier, imagine there was an easy weapon that new players could use to win movecraft fights without even participating in a movecraft battle, wouldn't that be frustrating? if i was a movecrafter i know it would be. well that's how pvpers feel now, we're completely useless and now about half of epf just moved to all gun spam cuz it's the only viable strat on the ground

I watched turtles clip and faceyzino is NOT a pvper and the fact that anybody with a gun can compete and WIN against one of the best pvpers on the server currently is insane.

I went to my own siege and the only way to win was when we got all of us to jump on one gunspammers and not ONE of us could miss a crit or we would let him live.


Guns are a counter not a substitute, remove damage stacking, idk make it so when you shoot sm1 it's 2 seconds delay before they can take DMG from guns again, that way newbies can snipe and help pvpers on the floor instead of being able to compete with the best on the server

I think you have misidentified your issue. "Damage stacking" is a precise term which refers to guns either not inflicting the standard 0.5s damage cooldown, or not respecting it. No guns bypass the damage cooldown. And the only guns which don't give a damage cooldown are machine guns and sidearms, but this has always been the case.

Rifles and carbines briefly did not give damage immunity, but that change was reverted a few weeks ago.

The clip Turtle provided makes me think your contention is with the amount of damage guns do per shot/hit, rather than damage stacking. Please clarify what you mean here.

Apoligies, when I refer to damage stacking I mean in the sense of extremely high power guns doing absurd amounts of damage being used by multiple people with no cooldown in between hits, with enough people, snipers can become as fast as machine guns dealing 4 hearts of damage each.

It is not difficult to use a gun, however when people come to sieges they do not expect purely gun pvp, they expect a combination of PvP and movecraft and guns, PURIST gun pvp is just as bad as PURIST sword pvp

Majority of our players are not PVPers, they are here to defend the Fort aliitsme, they do have cooldown jesus, I can not spam the sniper, there is a reloading time(which is pain), you can not carry more than 1 primary gun, and very little amount of ammo in the mag/clips (sorry penguinz0) you have to be present in the out open near the banner, which forces you to pvp, so if you want to get banner control YOU HAVE TO PVP so stop crying that there isnt enough pvp here, STOP CRYING IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE SERVER MECHANICS! This is not a traditional minecraft server, until now you realised it more than once I hope.

On top of that I hate ppl just spam potions to stay alive after tanking everything they get, I made a suggestion to remove or nerf them, they didn't and I moved on, just move on.

To remove potions? Are you serious? Then it just means a bunch of people with guns can kill you instantly, your suggestion was so dumb people pinged about it and thought it was a joke.


'majority of our players are not pvpers' sorry are you talking about the same nation as me? Thracia the PVP nation.

RannieGc frtex luciusdrakov zimotheus are literally top 5 percent ccnet pvpers all on your side lmfaoo

Also if 7 people are on snipers shooting right after each other in sequence that's literally a machine gun insta kill.


"We have to be near banner and PvP" NO YOU DO NOT LMAOO I WATCHED ZIMOTHEUS PVP FOR 4 SECONDS THEN PULL OUT A GUN AND START SHOOTING FROM 2 BLOCKS Infront.


I didn't even see you at the siege, you had no impact and likely weren't even there and therefore cannot comment on it.

If you look at my recent clips on medal

https://medal.tv/u/aliitsme?invite=ur-MSwwMGUsMzEzODM4ODEs


You will see that we can't even get up to banner without getting 2 tapped.

Please stop coping. Because the entire server literally thought you were joking about nerfing healing pots as if guns aren't meta enough

If gun damage got merged they would be useless, About guns requiring no skill that's false. You really have to be precise offsetting bullet drop and leading your target and on top of that go for headshots in order for guns to be effective

Nerfed*

Also to add yo my first comment you need to do all that I mentioned earlier and coordinate 3-4 people simultaneously to so all that. I'm sorry you got one shot but If at least 4 people can coordinate perfectly to pull that off then you are just outmatched. Not a balancing issue

it is 100 percent a balancing issue, it's not hard for 30 gunspammers to focus 10 people and shoot, guns do 4 hearts each you do not need insane coordination.

Guns require minimal skill and theirs 3 tiers

Good. Luciusdrakov

Average, anyone who can pot

Newbie, newbie.


If 30 of you have guns one of you are bound to hit right.

Well you just proved my point a 30(plus some change for the people that are pvping on the banner) Vs 10 is unwinnable no matter what. Want more people? Start recruiting

i dont think the standard 0.5s cooldown is enough because of the way guns work fundamentally. with swords u r right there in front of the enemy and u know ur gonna get hit, so u will almost always pot while you're getting low. u aren't really reacting to it, and it's more of just prediction. with guns it's different tho, especially since they sometimes do 6-6.5 hearts. u won't know when ur gonna get shot, so u can't predict the time u should pot. this is especially bad for high ping because their pots will always land late. in sword pvp laggers usually pot earlier than they would on low ping because they know their pots will be late, but u can't do this with guns. here's two perfect examples of stereo, who is a very good player with fast reaction time, dying because he physically can't react to that in time, and i doubt many people here could- https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/i7tuiiBx37yCUBBoR/d1337Rxs5TMl?invite=cr-MSxOM0YsNjUwMTMyOTgs
https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/i7SgUnfVfbFyZll4_/d1337bXoNBbA?invite=cr-MSxtdmYsNjUwMTMyOTgs

"I'm sorry you got one shot but If at least 4 people can coordinate perfectly to pull that off then you are just outmatched. Not a balancing issue"
the argument that 4 people coordinating to shoot u should mean ur instant death really doesn't make sense to me. others use this argument too, and i never understood how that logic checks out. the chances of u being crit out by 4+ players in a session is extremely likely, and the chances of u surviving that are also extremely likely. it's definitely harder to get multiple players with swords to target one player on the ground because others are likely critting them out or kbing them away. as intended, guns are very risk-free and as long as u have ganks or a proper fort, then u should almost never die as a gun spammer. they can also all target an enemy much easier because they won't get kbed away from them or have to run to heal since they're either farther back running away, or safe on their fort

Isn't it crazy once turtle and Aliitsme get unbanned it legit turns into a suggestion war every single time. Like to point it out, every single time for months now, I've noticed it.

Shut up

so as soon as i make a valid point u just gonna not argue it and complain that we're making suggestions. mb for using an intended feature of ccnet to try and have unbias discussions. don't act like this is a strictly pvper thing and countless other people have made suggestions on stuff they don't think is fair before, cuz that's what they're for -.-

this is why i said in my last suggestion that i'm not even gonna write all the stuff i wanted to, cuz it just gets ignored. i thought this would be different tho cuz there was already discussion here :/

Every suggestion it appears is nerf everything but buff PvP. And the ones that aren't that are like add this command or make the curing potions work on blindness. No one has an issue with. It's just wild that you guys keep suggesting stuff like it. Like complain about it sure, go ahead but like it's soo much where like just go play another server if you want PvP. Other servers exist for that reason, Ccnet is advertised as a movecraft, guns, building, towny, PvP server with slimefun. Like I get if 1 cannon was killing you in 2 shots, that's op. But like 3 cannon shots in 1 second with gunspamers hitting you whilst you weren't even at full hp to begin with. And then saying everything else is the issue. It's just crazy. Or like when 5 people are shooting you and then saying like the gunspammers are the issue, not me running into the open with no help with them shooting me. That's where it's tiring.

Bro like since the start of the server , guns where an OPTION beside pvp. Nowadays guns are the main pvp metod used by the nation with massive amounts of ppl.As a pvp-er since 2021, I can see a enormous difference between ccnet sieges from then and now.Now sieges and not based on skill or strategy,u only need 10ppl with guns and the siege is won+ movecraft + cannons(that still 1 shot)https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/i81BicPjsGyQhh67Q/d1337DVZ945b?invite=cr-MSxDSGosNjU2ODE0NjEs here is a clip of a bomb bay

https://youtu.be/C6_kxAfnH8g?si=VtcSShb-Vz-3J-h4

why was my name brought into this discussion lol.
guys if you are gonna use me to do the argument of guns at least ask me permision on my dms or smth geez.

jokes aside i just want to point out i do not have any intent or interest in developing a pvp skill whatsoever i have things to do irl sometimes and i like to enjoy the game differently, yet i dont see why that should prevent me from being able to confront or fight with the tutle guy. or with anyone ever.
i get nervous when i fight so usually get killed anyways. but i have fun thinking i had the chance of being able to kill someone, is not that deep.
i think what i most dislike of my name being mentioned here is the idea that because im not a pvper i shouldnt be able to have the chance to even touch turtle or any pvper for that matter. is like i commited a crime :/ or smth ou gosh.

Solomon I did not spent months learning pvp and playing non stop minecraft to learn how to put fast, repot and have better aim to get killed by guns in 1 second its your skill issue that you can't even land a crit and now you are trying to blame us for hating just learn the basics of pvp its not hard

Learning PvP, did they teach you to not take on 2v5s or like 7v15s? You can use guns as wells, you could have tried drilling the fort. If you expect to show up with a sword and win only doing that, then I believe this is the wrong server for you. To get killed by guns you would need about 5 rifle headshots at the right distance without you using sf food or any pots. Meaning 5 seperate players need to get 5 headshots in the same second. With you not taking any action on that. And again provided you are at the right distance. If not it would take more. So guns are not op. You just can't take 30v10s like aliitsme says and expect to win or not die.

What in the delulu is this girl??? You are not slaying rn.

Bffr if you think it takes 5 shots to kill a player. It's closer to 2.

Not to mention when on the ground fighting you take crit trades and aren't always full health, do you know how easy it is for people to focus specific people who get low when trading hits??

"Could've tried drilling the fort" i wonder what would happen if I pulled out a heavy tank ( you pull out 30 more)

"You just can't take 30v10s like aliitsme says and expect to win or not die."

So do we not go to sieges or something? Because the current state of ccnet is the alliance being 10 people and everyone blackpilling because people like you who talk so much they're doctor has a restraining order have suggested these guns as a primary method of pvp.

If you aren't a pvper hop in movecraft, you do not need guns especially in a defensive

if you are good pvper and you are good gunspamming need to be the same or equal one is for distance another is for close range easy to understand

Yes Ali, its like Canadian Dominion sieging Rome. They aren't gonna win, they don't have the money, supplies, skills, movecraft, people. You had the same issue. We all know Canada wouldn't win that. So yes, I am saying don't siege a nation or alliance you can't take on. Yes people will die if 5 people are trying to kill the same guy. Movecraft does no damage to players and IFVs never get kills since you guys have complained about them too. So movecraft is almost useless at killing people as well. How many IFVs kills happened this weekend? To my awareness little or none. So your suggestion is making PvP the only way to kill someone? Guns don't take closer to two shots, find me a clip of that and I'll agree. Cannons have been nerfed completely and they just completely blow up now. What else do you guys want? For non pvpers to stop attending? It appears that way.

Im starting to think from the comments and other suggestion that this suggestion isnt meant for the actual damage stacking issue (2 shot at once which is bad bad pls fix)

"Guns don't take closer to two shots, find me a clip of that and I'll agree"
https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/i7SgUnfVfbFyZll4_/C6FhxCEtoVjp?invite=cr-MSxtdmYsNjUwMTMyOTgs?mobilebypass=true
https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/i7tuiiBx37yCUBBoR/2ix2RVMrhoOk?invite=cr-MSxOM0YsNjUwMTMyOTgs?mobilebypass=true

if u need more lmk

In both of those clips you were being hit by a sword and being shot at and it took at least four hits, whilst in the both clips you were shell shocked as well. Meaning it appears you took 5 hits from a gun or PvP. So you are really complaining about shell shock effect and not guns. Again thanks for proving my point : ).

bruh stereo was not hit by a sword at all in either clips what are u even saying, and 4 shots? it took 1machine gun to give suppression and then 2 normal shots cuz they do 6-6.5 hearts. that's closer to two shots...

https://streamable.com/jfumh0
i can't believe i have to send even more, but there is no way u can interpret this one as multiple shots because it was a damage test with 1 player using a rifle and another using a machine gun. as u can see, 1 shot does 6 hearts here with suppression. seeing as the player is not always full health on the battlefield, that's usually 1 or 2shots to kill and is the exact reason stereo died in both clips that i sent. stop being blind or bias or whatever this is because u admitted urself that u'd agree if we found u a clip, and i just sent 3 now. i have more if u think this clip is like photoshopped or whatever excuse ur gonna come up with next

"So you are really complaining about shell shock effect and not guns" yes shell shock effect is the main reason guns are so bad, and it's not hard at all to get people to spam machine gun on players, so u almost always have shell shock

Solomon I think you just want to defend guns so much because you just want to keep wining the dirty way and when you said drill the fort you forgot that they damage is nerfed and it's going to take forever for the tank to even make it to the cannons of the fort

Yes and you guys were the same people complaining about drilling. Hence why it was nerfed. Also turtle, it takes teamwork to do this. I don't understand why you just did the same tactics for 48hrs without changing your strategy to just make suggestions and complain about it. People complained about shields, horses, cannons, IFVs, fighters, ships and drilling forts, at this point you guys have complained about everything besides sword PvP.

"Also turtle, it takes teamwork to do this."
so telling 2-3 players to shoot the same person should result in their insta KO? with nothing the player can do to prevent that? that doesn't sound very fun. it really isn't hard to tell everyone to shoot the same person, especially when 95% of the time they are a safe distance away

"you guys" bro is this pvp racism or smth ;-;
i've not complained abt shields or horses. i haven't complained abt fighters or ships. i never complained abt drilling forts or most cannons. i only complained abt IFVs because of the lack of tools for a pvper to stop them. i complained abt BROKEN cannons that were nerfed because they physically weren't intended to do that much damage... and yes guns multiple times whenever the damage reaches too much and results in extremely fast deaths. however, i don't see how any of that is relevant to what we're arguing abt rn. it feels like u just backed urself into a corner by admitting that guns were too op, and now ur tryna change the topic cuz u don't know what to think. u said show u clips of guns 2tapping, and u'll admit it's too strong. i show u clips and offer to show u more if u need them. then u decided to completely ignore ur comment that disproved ur point, so which is it now? u don't agree with ur previous statement anymore, or do u? stop being bias and actually admit that maybe we have a point -.-

Nobody complained about any stuff except ifvs and guns you need to understand Solomon that not everything can go your way. Coalition changed like 15 times how you get points in assault regions and we let it slide and now you keep yapping over some guns

"In both of those clips you were being hit by a sword" I'm VERY sure you don't need to be a pvper to know that you cannot hit someone with a sword 30 blocks away. you know what can? GUNS. You know what also can deal 6 hearts per hit? not swords! "And took atleast 4 hits" yea that happended in like 0.5 seconds that's alot of time for me to reaction sorry solomon truly my bad should've potted 0.2 seconds after. Maybe it doesn't one tap, but it does 6 hearts of damage and how am I supposed to react that, even If I do you saw my clips, I tried potting but guess what 2 more machine guns focusing at me just killed me instantly after taking that damage.

if your so mad cause guns are too op then quit the server or play something else, OR LEARN HOW TO GO AGAINST GUNS, building shelters is one way, if you make a good enough banner defense then you have time to capture the banner and run back before being killed by guns in seconds. Or even pull out movecraft maybe, and shoot the cannons thats shooting your shelter, even harder for them to get trough. There is ways you just need to learn and stop being so stuck up on this. Im not in coalition and i have been cannonspammed before :sob: (oe siege went wild) and we did stuff to stop it, its not that hard man.

good god man you are perma banned for racism find something else to do other then this

Chat isnt that allitsme guy banned for being toxic? also rawr.

Falkom out.

this just yap
guns good
What if im a terrible pvper?(i am)
I use gun if i cant use movecraft
Gun cant break blocks, Make a dirt hut and you will be all fine