i dont think ccnet necessarily teaches good habits if people take stuff in game and apply it to real life. it's kinda built on killing, raiding, stealing, pillaging, bombing, toxicity, and a lot more. it's kind of like those "video games cause violence" arguments that old ppl say. a lot of video games already have a gambling aspect to it, even ccnet with the vote crates. to me it's just smth fun ppl can do with their money. i got the idea of my casino from a casino that was made on N1 a long time ago, and i played it a lot for fun. i was a kid during that and i haven't had any gambling addiction problems cuz of it. if anything ccnet itself causes way more addiction and has caused ppl to fail at their studies or neglect irl problems cuz of it

also in game casinos are all based around fake in game money. i know multiple people who have spent hundreds of irl dollars on ccnet while they really can't afford that, which is way more dangerous than a casino that uses fake money

Girl , it's just a game,why do u take it so serious?! From ur POV means that even bounty targets should be banned

First of all, no need to be condescending. My suggestion is not against EPF as I said, but about gambling in general. I'm glad you haven't fallen into gambling, but that doesn't mean other kids have the same mindset, education or predisposition.

Yes, it's a game about war and other stuff, but I never said the "old people argument" about it causing violence. Let's say I don't think its the same comparing a war game on minecraft ("kids game") with other games, meant to make money that are very graphic about war.

About people spending hundreds of dollars... in donator? For that you need a credit card and permission from your parents if you are underage. That there's people who spend money when they can't happens in all games, but that doesn't mean is ok to have those predatory mechanics. In the end CCNet is not a company and it isn't made with the purpose of earning money and doesn't have to use predatory mechanics.

About vote crates being gambling... its very different. You don't pay for those, you just vote. About bounties, when have I said that? Bounties are part of the game.

Other games, you do gamble for loot boxes because you pay irl money. Difference with CCnet is the only money you pay here is to get a few "fun" aspects that you can also get for free.

nah i was just using the old ppl argument as an example of what this is kinda like. just cuz it's a video game doesn't mean ppl are gonna wanna do that irl too, especially when it's illegal for most kids to do (as u said). just like people that play shooters aren't gonna wanna shoot ppl irl, which is what some old politicians argued irl

im a lil dumb and confused abt this part - "That there's people who spend money when they can't happens in all games, but that doesn't mean is ok to have those predatory mechanics. In the end CCNet is not a company and it isn't made with the purpose of earning money and doesn't have to use predatory mechanics."
are casinos predatory mechanics or the donation parts? cuz it sounds like ur talking abt the donations but that doesn't make sense. but if it's the former then wouldn't other violent or aggressive stuff be seen as predator mechanics too tho

i also don't understand this part either - "Other games, you do gamble for loot boxes because you pay irl money. Difference with CCnet is the only money you pay here is to get a few "fun" aspects that you can also get for free."
the difference is one is real money and one is fake money, no? im really not sure what u mean when u said "a few 'fun' aspects that you can also get for free."

That's my bad, I didn't explain correctly.

What I meant about "predatory mechanics" is the way casinos and other games work - I do not think supporter is like that, it's just a way to support the server you play for free. In exhange you get stuff you can also get with excelsior and voter, which you can get in game. You are not obligated to do so. This was just an example of how CCnet doesn't use predatory mechanics.

You can find a lot of papers about gambling and adolescence but I'll quote this spanish one:

"Addictive behaviors, with or without substances, generally appear in adolescence or adulthood, and they are more frequent in these age groups than in any other [6]. Adolescence is considered to be a particularly important development period for risk-taking behaviors. Authors such as Arnott and Alain [7] point out that, according to the emerging neurobiological model of addiction, neurodevelopmental changes that occur during adolescence lead to an imbalance between emotional (reward motivation) and cognitive (executive control) processes. Consequently, adolescence may represent a vulnerable period for the development of gambling problems. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to assert that this neurobiological fragility contributes to an increased risk of developing addictive behaviors in adolescence [8]. In addition, authors such as Brezing et al. [9], in relation to non-substance addictions, point to the importance of environmental factors, such as early exposure to traumatic events, a family history of addictive disorders, access to gambling, or peer influence."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8750538/

You can also find similar in this one in the UK: https://academic.oup.com/bmb/article/136/1/21/5905949

I agree with pigfarts gambling shouldnt be allowed on ccnet, even if "its just a game". Studies have showed that gambling in simulated gambling games are more likely to have a problem with gambling then those who havent. Alot of ccnet players as pigfarts said is young, why should we lead them to this path?

I dont think "banning" bets would ever work cause you could do bets without people knowing but i think that banning gambling places like the "Slots" and "Roulette" channels in the EPF discord should be disallowed.

Video games as a whole cause addiction, and I don’t need any studies to prove that cuz I’m sure a lot of ppl here face video game addiction. There’s definitely wayyy more kids getting addicted to ccnet than would ever get addicted to irl gambling cuz of a fake casino on it. I’m still skeptical about fake gambling causing serious gambling addictions irl, and I’ve not met anyone that has, but even if it does, then it’s definitely a very small minority. Why should a majority of ppl who find it fun get punished for that? Should ccnet shut down cuz it causes addiction? Or cuz it changes people to be more toxic? I know multiple players who have ruined their grades for ccnet, and Ik there’s definitely more

Correct me if I’m wrong but are you saying since ccnet players get addicted to the game they should also have the chance to get addicted to gambling?

That’s a loaded question but alr. I’m saying anything can cause addiction and taking away smth fun for players because there’s a very small chance that it’ll cause addiction for a small minority is not fair. I’m still not agreeing that it does cause addiction irl btw, I’m just saying that as the worst case scenario

That’s like saying because ppl blow up stuff in game, then there’s a chance it might cause players to want to blow stuff up irl ._.

There’s always a chance of anything happening and u shouldn’t restrict players because of that small chance

The younger they start gambling, the better. Falkom out.

"90% of gamblers quit before their big win!" Dont be a quitter Pigfarts just bec you cant win sh dont mean everyone else can't eather
and turtle's argument about the blowing stuff ingame to irl.