DP and Stances reworked for SOI Part 1 • CCNet

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RocketCats21 11 months ago

Part 1 Ally limits

So before adjusting the effects for each, we can replace the DP cost of alliances with limits based on the stance and converted from the limits in the DP system. These are based off of Balances Stance limits without starting or joining a siege. Under the old system a balanced nation also would receive 1 extra ally per region, and 2 per theatre based on the DP bonuses. This could be factored in or not depending on how the balance works out with SOI.
Siege starting limit per nation should remain 2.
Possibly create a limit for sieges involved in as well?

Balanced Stance. allies are 10 DP each
Under the DP rules (with no sieges)
>100 Players 7 allies
100-199 players 9 allies
200-299 players 10.5 allies
300-399 players 11.5 allies
400+ players 12 allies

I’d round the halves up and say for a balanced stance the limits are

>100 Players 7 allies
100-199 players 9 allies
200-299 players 11 allies
300-399 players 12 allies
400+ Players 13 allies

To adjust for the other I’d just increase or decrease the number of allies according to the old DP ally reduction or increase percentage. Rounding up for .5 or greater and down for .49 or less

Non-interventionist
>100 Players 9 allies
100-199 players 11 allies
200-299 14 allies
300-399 15 allies
400+ 16 allies

Expansionist:
>100 players 5 allies
100-199 players 7 allies
200-299 players 8 allies
300-399 players 9 allies
400+ Players 10 allies

Imperialist:
>100 Players 4 allies
100-199 players 5 allies
200-299 players 6 allies
300-399 players 6 allies
400+ Players 7 allies

These numbers may be a little high, and lead to the continuation of the current mega alliances that exist currently (and can certainly be tweaked for balancing). However with the range limits that SOI creates, hopefully we see smaller regional conflicts more frequently, and the larger alliances are more commonly used for the regions, rather than 1 huge siege each weekend.

Part 2 following shortly with adjusted effects for all stances

Comments

plant11 11 months ago

I don't particularly like the limit based on player count cause it just encourages making a mass recruiting town. Ive seen a couple of these with 300 players and they have like 7 active ones. There just grabbing all the new players sticking them in a box and giving them nothing to do. They just end up leaving.

RocketCats21 11 months ago

Honestly, I'm not the biggest fan of it myself, I just wanted to get something out there and get some discussion and ideas. Maybe active player count based instead, obviously in smaller numbers, maybe in increments of 30 instead of 100? This would probably fluctuate more because active player count changes a lot, would need a way to determine which ally is dropped if you go over your limit, presumably the most recently added makes the most sense

ddasexypotatoo 11 months ago

Part one of your suggestion: Terrible... (dw part 2 you are actually on to something)
You blatantly disregarded the difference in intent between SOI and DP, again...., SOI purpose is to incentives local sieges and to build up your range, while DP are meant to limit global conflict. Both sit on a different side of game mechanic spectrum.

As plant stated basing it on players in nation will only push players to mass recruit and you get ghost towns who suck up new players while giving them 0 of the actual server experience. The whole point of SOI Is to change from the DP system. Please stop trying to re introduce the DP system into SOI. They are not compatible for clear reasons.

Also yes, mega alliances are healthy for the game....

Also imperialist aren't a thing anymore after vassal nerf, maybe try to first suggest an update to vassals.
I'm not done

ddasexypotatoo 11 months ago

Limiting the number of allies any nation can make with SOI is counter productive, Allies are useful now,yall know what useful means :), only if they have range, so your idea of basing it on player count hurts all small nations who need more allies to be in their range and boosts big nations who can and will swallow said small nations for their SOI buff.

Here explanation if my words are too big:

Big nation --> more SOI range --> more targets
Small nation --> less SOI range--> less helpful allies

RocketCats21 11 months ago

The only reason I kept the ally limitations idea was to be able to carry over some of the adjustments the effects with stances under the DP system, I'm not a huge fan of the limits being based on pure player count, I think finding a more useful metric to base limits on is a good thing, the hope was to spark a conversation to find a better solution for keeping some strategy behind alliances.

Vassals are not required for Imperialists; they just need to occupy a non-peaceful town owned by another nation. Vallals were just one of the features they could benefit from. Dogster already made a great suggestion regarding Vassals and I would love to see his idea considered, then any tweaks to imperialist can be made to fit the theme better, as I noted in the Buffs portion of my suggestion