If there so op just use them back against the enemy

now this suggestion will get devoted by people who never do offensive and just do defensive with 20 randoms with 0 experience gun spam.
gun spammers are worse than alabama pvp clans/nations whatever

its not easy to use them back to enemies as i said cause they are gonna hide in boxes and 200 block tall walls

we still manage to take over forts when outnumbered by gunspammers but u got pvpers too which take fort back

I agree, unless zaify add flamethrowers again those were sick

Wel the thing with offensive sieges is u can hide in indestructible boxes… if ur getting sieged u can’t

"If there so op just use them back against the enemy" then guns will just take over sieges which wouldn't be any fun cuz everyone will just sit in a box and shoot at people 24/7

watch guns get removed and coalition will take Russia

ZANITY u can hide indeed but if u hide u can not come out and CAP which is important plus u dont have high view and radius so u cant aim everywhere u have small space to shoot

i agree guns is sad i alr got like more than 30 kill with gun it's like no skill and very bad

we tried many things in Shimazu but Offensives are just 300% harder than defensive due to non-skilled guns. they can get 20 farmers to gun spam while those people dont even know what siege is

either remove them or nerf them like they used to be. you legit can't outplay or do anything in sieges. you can't do a good play, there's no freedom to do anything except spam guns. IMO this gun update made this server very unfun to play.

i agree with qatel

U wanna know how to counter guns? Place 2 blocks in front of you!

Also not to mention when you manage to go on banner they will just shoot cannons on you which happened in Shimazu for example and you can't fight back because if you try making cannons pvpers will rush you

zanity 2 blocks wont save u since defenders can shoot cannons freely without danger

Coalition coping after losing like 10 sieges in a row

will we can't useit back in attack becouse they will hide in boxes and use cannaon to break around you they don't need to go out of fort to win they can win inisde the fort and it's sick

Just shoot cannons Back lol

z4nity we win beforeit alot of sieges

there can be no one that one can deny the fact that guns require no skills. they legit spam gun at your face when only 5 blocks away while pressing S. if this keeps on going sword pvp will not be used anymore in ccnet and people will only use movecraft, cannons and guns instead. like legit you dont even have to rush the banner if you have a few gun spammers from angles

there can be no way*

zanity i have never seen u in sieges i dont think u know how guns exactly work cause u dont have big enough experience (not offence of course)

Some suggestions to fix it
1 Make it difficult to move to the target
2 Wipe out weapons
3 Make the damage less

dude i can jumb 1 vs 6 with sword and survive
but 1 vs 6 gun i 1 shooted

or just remove them and try to rework if u want them to exist

you can also just make it so u can not move while using gun, or ur aim is absolutely dead while moving with gun

its dumb how enemies can just go on u 5 block away from u and spam guns while moving same speed as u are

true like valo

Zanity having 0 arguments and tell us to cope damn

Despite the lack of grammar, despite a few other things. I understand what he's saying, I don't have time to go down the list he made and reply to all his points one by one. So this is all I'll say; For those of us who remember the siege at Trapezica, how it was just gank warfare determined by who brought the most pvpers. The current state of things represents a vast improvement for those of us who do not have the time or the inclination to train pvp. I understand the pvpers anger, as they are no longer on top due to this update. Now they may be killed by some random indeed. Zaify the decision is in your hands, if you're reading this I reccomend two things; Make a decision, maybe not now, but sometime soon. Do you want the server to be dominated by pvpers or by regular players? It's really that simple. I also advise making a final, difinitive server poll so you can check the results to make sure it's not just a bunch of bots. Thank you very much.

i said that pvpers can be outsmarted cause they need to push, gun spammer do not push, they stay in fort and camp for hours just doing pew pew. pvpers need to push, and maybe 3 experienced players can dominate 6 non ccnet experienced pvpers

and if u add ranks for parcipicating in sieges, u cant bring 20 pvpers at the same time in 1 session. plus ur side brang both gun spammers and random pvpers too. there were over 10 usernames i have never seen

NotWeirdGuy you're asking pvpers who put hours and hours of work to not be angry at an update that makes them almost useless. pvpers train a lot just to get 1 shotted by guns. Of course they would be angry. Not to mention you also said you wanted guns buffed??? You make no sense and just make server unfun for a lot of pvpers

not just that, movecraft takes high skill too, movecraft hard counters PvPers while cannons hard counter IFV. its how wars supposed to work, not like this, one side has more people so they gun spam more and win.

back in time (before guns) sieges took LOT OF skill

1) high Intelligence
2) Skill of either Movecraft/PvP or Both
3) leading sieges like a real one not like ,,guys just spam guns and we win!"

i dont think removing them would be the greatest idea. I think that they should get nerfed but not removed

ijust coalition lacks all of the 3 points u mentioned

well, i dont think remove the guns is the best choice, but nerf them IS NECESSARY. SOMEONE BRING A NERF!

the gunspammers in fort were YOUR gunspammers inside the invulnerable deepslate cube

thats not an argument

yes rattly they were, but they had very low vision and if they tried to increase their vision they would get sniped down, including vision, they dont have access to push banner to cap which is biggest case of siege winning

ijust considering you said in ur announcement to everyone in the teutonic discord that
"Coalition Strikes Back". I doubt you made this suggestion without biased views. Anywys, im off to draft Engine Multiblock III. Goodbye.

idk guns should be removed but it should be nerfed

i meant i dont know about guns getting removed

Kuakster i dont think me pinging everyone to view what i said in suggestions creates anything thats bias

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/837801590932242483/1034097291528769616/unknown.png for zaify

Seiges used to be pvp now is just hide in Fort or seige base and shoot

and that announcement channel is public so every enemy ally or neutral got pinged

If they we're to rework guns I'd like them to allow the jezail to stay in the meantime cuz jezail if it's damage gets a lil buff it could probably be the most balanced gun without effecting pvp cuz takes soo long to reload and soo hard to make the bullet hit

what does my ping have to do anything rattlyy and just so u know, zaify is inside teutonic discord

what does that have to do with this suggestion ratttly?

coalition will strike back with the try to get more toxic anarchy crystal pvpers to throw people in ganks challenge!

he pinged people to upvote suggestion if they agree he didn't force lmfao

"you already know what to do" = upvote

no, it means check suggestion and give opinions in comments, dont talk when u dont know

stop derailing suggestion, what we said above is true even if he said "you already know what to do" lol

Guns don't make the difference but numbers do. Of course your odds of winning a 20v10 siege are low. Guns are only the cherry on top because you have to be legitimately bad at the game to be killed SOLELY by guns. Rifle kills go hand in hand with a PvPer on the frontline taking the heat. It takes atleast 4 headshots in most cases to kill at short to medium range. If there are 15 defenders on banner and you are with 5 there is simply no chance.

and ganking is not easy rattlyy due to kb I i would love kb I to stay if guns get removed/nerfed

Rattly u saying the gunspammers were ours is irrelevant

Gunspamming is bad no matter what side does it this suggestion isn't to buff coalition but to make seiges more balanced

sieges are ,,who has more friends to download minecraft and right click on some server to easy kill people"

Frambaby have you been to a siege? guns don't make difference? people are getting 1 shot and 2 shot. pvpers are taking the heat? they cant even stand for 2 second on frontline without dying. anyway hope guns get removed or nerfed to ground.

machine guns do be one of the most broken things on ccnet

How many more of these suggestions is it going to take to make ijust realize it wont change anything at all?

where is ur argument blue?

typical coalition behaviour, normal stuff cant change it

I have no argument ijust, this is just a fifth part on the remove guns right after you lost a siege saga

yes, cause after siege i see more and more

Would you make this suggestion if you had won the siege because of gunspammers? No you wouldn't have

i would, i saw something that made me do this suggestion, if i didnt see it, i wouldnt do it

We all believe you

I mean guns shouldnt be remove as far as i think. They could be nerfed. I feel like the shield should block atleast 50% of the damage of guns not 30%. And as you say ijust that some random ppl can gunspamm and kill you , had the seige require a lot of pvp skills most ppl wont even participate. Tbf guns should be semi skillful. What i mean is they require some skill but they dont require skill as much as pot pvp needs to be.

Lighteye u just cry bc no skill

Deadlytangerine you werent even seen in the seige lmfao

guns should be nerfed so they are not so deadly but not removed i my opinion

"Would you make this suggestion if you had won the siege because of gunspammers? No you wouldn't have"

Your speaking as if you wouldnt have made this very same sugesstion if we were to do the same, remove the bias when speaking in a suggestion.

Persnoally i think if guns would be nerfed there would be no point of them but ijustcall is kinda right rn there is no pvp skill included its just about gun spammers bows atleast needed some skill to measure where projectile hits but guns are just bad for server imo.

I agree part of with jackylacky161 if the guns damage is nerfed it will porbaly make them useless again so a better way would be making the aiming more complex but also i see it so that the pvp on the server is mostly about movecraft and guns not vanilla potion pvp which could still be included with strategies that make good use of all the types of pvp in the server.

Make server Have no guns les goo Keep Server Pvp Fight Smooth... yeeaaaa :)

Just cus ur losing a few sieges doesnt mean u have to make 100 tickets for it stop crying about it and adapt u dont like it? Go play other servers its a simple as that ijustcall

Zaify wanted guns to be primary pvp so use guns lol

the cope is unreal

I am 200 ms and my gun trajectory takes like a ton of time to register but still im fine w using em

tho I agree with lighteye's shield suggestion, its good because we need it, and the current dura hit from blocking (I used yesterday) is pretty high so its worth it

They're trying to take away our constitutional rights! 2nd amendment enjoyer disagrees! They miss the times of kill in hole with pointy stick, miss the old nation hegemony and miss not being able to oppress citizens!!! Muh muh sword skill! ¡¿I train y dont u!!???

where are the arguments???? 0 arguments

U miss cringe ganks and ppl not being able to form new nations bcz they'd get crushed by the old ones or be ally reliant slave.

Also I've been in all sieges since when guns were added in my timezone atleast and I got kills but I've actually not died. I spend 99% of the time on banner or on open field. I smell a skill gap

I think the guns should be nerfed if not maybe make an mcmmo or smth like that so that you need to actually grind them or actually make them not as easy to use but something needs to be changed about then

Them*

in my opinion guns shoud be complitly removed or maybe return the guns befor but nerf them a litle bit

U cant rly nerf guns without making them practically obsolete. They either kill or they not

nothing needs to be changed while ive been at the roman siege ive been in the field for a long time i just use sword and gun if u dont like it move to another server

berry, u siege every new town or nation u see...
and we dont want ganks we arent gank fighters we want normal field sword fights, who even mentioned ganks? there is kb I now its very hard to gank someone no matter what.
and ur not dying because u are always on a horse and there is at least 3 people covering u, thats not skill

Imagine, your first comment has beed sent because you are crying about players that down vote but you don't say anything about your annocement in your discord server where you ping everyone to vote the suggestion

what u want me to say about it?

legit pinged people to check suggestion

it doesnt even matter for u why i pinged them for

i think u are afraid, since u dont even want to test sieges without guns.

@ijust that statement is false Ive actually used horse for 20 mins of a session in Livland. And Im talking about the coalition sieges not the random ones. Also Ive been on foot if everything Ive saved ppl life from our side with my presence not the other way around. In gun vs gun fight I havent died as for sword they couldnt do much either. On the other hand u complain about 1 shots. Ive been shot up to 4 times and havent died. Literal skill gap sorry

Also when guns were removed for all summer I didnt make suggestions 24/7 even though it killed most of our army's existance and made plenty of our members quit back then. I coped with it and used swords for that period of time and didnt fight much in sieges. And here we have u making suggestion every other Friday

u are outnumbering us, that u didnt get one shotted out of 5 allies that did it doesnt mean u will not, u gotta experience it or u cant talk about it, + i have never seen u on foot, if i did, i would 100% try to delete u from the siege immediately

Yea guns can't one-shot three shot is min without suppression (with suppression 2 shot) and machine guns can kill you with one magazine but you need to get hit from 2/3 of 100 bullet mag(lewis). Or getting hit with a full magazine of a mp 18 while having shell-shock would kill you to with full healt.

Ijust we have already tested it

im not dumb ik u can not get 1 shot by 1 gun. i mean this https://streamable.com/3bkm5p

ijust its not like u can delete me from the siege. This is exactly why ure making a suggestion. Even if guns were removed u still wouldnt be able to as I have plenty of ways to survive by experience which u dont bother learning. This response by u is pure copium and Ive seen u in battle on my sessions always and loved shooting u with my guns or pistol on close range. Learn to adapt better? I have adapted to sword without gun but ppl like u refuse to ever adapt to new Metas

and 1 sword crit + 1 headshot = death is also one shot

this is the new pvp in ccnet deal with it or join another pvp server

i tried using guns, i got cringed out. sorry i dont wanna use thing that gives me 0% fun. and plus if u are so tough without guns, why dont we test it and remove them for 1-2 weeks huh

stop typing comments that arent even arguments

The reason I want guns is not for myself but for Conscripts. I dont like doing 4v30 with imported Lokans or Vulpex ppl. Its one of the reasons I stopped maining sword over a year ago when ppl started bringing tens of enemies vs us so we just learnt the other metas. I believe guns make nation building easier therefore I can bring militia to wars and not professional sword users with too much free time

but that makes offensive sieges impossible, nobody will want sieges, u wanna make whole truce in war server?

ijust we dont need to test that I already tested it before the past 3 year. Ure just acting cringe and blind

I think that guns are a cool addition to ccnet, I have not seen any earth server with guns and they definetly should be nerfed ALOT instead of being removed. Nightmare invited ROBLOX players to ccnet to GUNSPAM players and what happened? Yeah we ALL died... since gunspamming doesn't even take skill. I got 6 kills at the Shimazu siege but then I died 3 times just cuz of gunspammers.

When guns were removed funnily enough there were no sieges except from the ones I did in America. When guns came back sieges came back. That argument is sort of invalid ngl

that guns brang back sieges is absolute bias, i promise u that if guns get removed u will see more than enough sieges

Its either a super coincidence or guns did bring back sieges. U chose to beliece what u want. Statistics say otherwise. It also brought more ppl into sieges.

thats absolute cap, except the part that it brang many people to the siege, and that is because its no skill and even none minecraft players can use guns. on other side where u said guns bring back sieges, its false, i was there when active sieges started, and guns werent there it got added in mid siege and then everyone started spamming it, guns didnt activate sieges, ur side is doing 0 sieges. we are doing sieges only

berry ,ratly and the cactus guy are the ultimate ccnet npcs idon't think they exist irl they live in minecraft if guns get removed they can't play the server also berry legit have 6 months playtime and last time idid ./seen on him he was online for 16 hours LOL he have this much of playtime and still can't pvp he is even bad in movecraft legit useless asf litearlly commenting on every guns suggestion and barking for not adjusting them not even removing them

Just a quick reminder for some of you. We are here to discuss potential changes because players honestly believe guns are unbalanced, we are not here to say "cope" or "just move to a different server lol git gud". Try and discuss rather than attempt to invalidate a suggestion.

Thanks :D

ty king

Honestly, add keep inventory back in siege zones, it is 100% worth it when people are literally getting down from 17hp to 1hp in some rare cases. Problem solved

except for tools and weapons (if thats codeable idk)

I don’t think it’s fair to completely remove guns because a lot of people still enjoy guns, but I definitely think there should be some small nerfs.
Here are a few ideas for some nerfs that I think is fair for everyone:
1 - rifles are less accurate while moving. This is something a few popular shooters do (cs and val), and I think ccnet should follow this
2 - swords disable rifles for a few seconds. This used to be a feature and it should keep rifles to long range, and swords in short range
3 - stop guns from stacking damage. This is the most important feature that I think really needs to be changed. for those that don’t know, vanilla hits give the player a short time of immunity, so the player can’t be hit again until that immunity is gone. This is a vanilla feature that has been in Minecraft since its creation. This immunity usually gives the average player enough time to pot if they’re low, or stop a player from being crit out by 5 people at once and being one shot. Guns don’t have this immunity, and this is why so many people get what looks like a one shot. It’s just 2 people shooting at the same person at the same time. This is by far the least balanced feature about guns, and this immunity is essential for Minecraft pvp

Hello me again :D

I agree that guns should also suffer from Iframes like all other forms of damage do, if you disagree that's fine but at least state why, since it would raise the TTK from 0.1 to at least allow people to react to the damage and pot accordingly, mimicking the same level of survivability one would have against swords.

This would cause problems to rapid fire weapons which could either be exempt or have a lower rate of fire but higher damage per bullet.

Although I (and many other players who actively attend sieges) absolutely despise guns, we have to realize that there has to be a compromise. I think turtle's suggestions are promising.
A priority for me would be to remove guns stacking damage. It is cancer to fight players on the ground while 5 more are sniping you from their deepslate tower. You essentially have to pot every time you go below 8 hearts in order to not insta-die to a volley of gunshots, especially if you are fighting at banner. I've mostly been on the defenders side since guns were re-introduced, but I have no bias due to that. Both the coalition side and Nordic side have heavily used guns, and most of the players from both sides actually agree that guns are heavily unbalanced. However, both sides continue to use them regardless.
Overall, I think we should hold a detailed survey asking ACTUAL siege participants about specific elements of gun combat and how it has been implemented in the recent sieges. I know that Rick has previously conducted an opinion poll about guns, but it is obvious that a decent chunk of poll participants had never used guns in a combat setting or actual siege.

Also on the whole "well sieges before were just dominated by log on pvpers" argument:

I'd argue that the current guns have actually this issue worse. Not only do you no longer need to find skilled Minecraft players willing to play your server, you don't even need actual Minecraft players! Multiple players have unironically been recruited from Roblox to hold down right/left click and have an impact on siege outcomes. The best part is, these players don't even need to have Minecraft or ever played it before since the server is cracked. You can essentially turn the tides of a session and siege by bringing enough of these players. It's pretty ridiculous

I'd rather have roblox players
stacking gun damage is a main concern but thats actually one of the main ways guns actually get kills so......

Torque you'd rather have unskilled little kids that actually skilled players that you could actually learn something from? That's cute...

Well not really cute but disappointing.

I just want to say; that by upvoting this suggestion you are asking for guns to be removed. Please keep that in mind. That is the main point of this suggestion, Irrefutably.

u are not, its not nessecary to remove guns, nerf will be perfection, suggestion was meant to nerf guns not remove fully

lmao I don't need people to teach me how to play minecraft or pvp death rayzur

maybe i typed it wrong in start but it is what i had in mind from start

Torque, XD but there is ALWAYS something new to learn from ppl even if u think ur "perfect" cuz I thought I was until I joined CCNet for the first time. I learned so much new stuff abt pvp that I didn't even know and I just got better overall and the recent siege of Shitmazu I took down an 5 ppl at the banner and killed 1 person while getting 10v1' in they're fortress.

guns were insanely annoying before, rather have them removed or buffed. Since removal won't happen, its fine as it is rn (maybe remove gun stacking tbh, dont even need the shield block to be 50% then)

Shields are garbage plus guns do way to much damage, 1 gun does 4 and a half hearts, thats HALF health.

There's nothing wrong with the gun damage, people pretend rifles take half of your health in one shot but the average headshot in a siege is 2 - 3 hearts. Make gun handling more realistic, increase reload time & recoil but reducing gun damage more than this will make them as useless as pre-update.

I agree the best thing would be making the guns more complex like making aiming harder so that it requires atleast some skill or making mags have less rounds inside but just removing them is a bad idea

aiming is already hard for anyone not from europe

gun good, loka pot pvper mad cuz low skill players can beat them.

"people pretend rifles take half of your health in one shot but the average headshot in a siege is 2 - 3 hearts." No way you play ccnet if you just said that frambaby

Qatel pretending there isn't a wiki page that lists the damage output of every rifle in CCnet lol. I have participated in 5+ sieges since the gun update. Sniper, Sop and I shot a person with 3 headshots in a split second and they still did not die. There is no excuse to dying by solely gun damage.

@iownyi thats literally cap lol! Most of my "playtime" is me forgettin chatcraft on and it shuts down when I have no internet. If I could play 16 hours then I wouldnt have any issues with logging in sieges and fighting 24/7 like u guys pull all nighters. If anything on weekdays I barely play 1-2 hours

Man literally pulled that paragraph out of his arse because he cant take the fact I support guns for nation building. I dont need to lie about my own playtime just check discord bridge. I cant even access PC for "16 hours" meanwhile ur guys pull 40 hours ingame (NeoExile) that staff has to ban them to log off. Have some shame iownyi actively trying to blackmail with facts made out ur bum lol

Legit Im not even 10 hours at home when do I have the time for 6 month playtime and 16 hour sessions? Maybe if u went out u'd understand not everyone stays at home like urself

Gun stack damage is now gone (as per #development) and rifle recoil has been made better, these are steps in the right direction, but i personally believe the following things should also be given a thought to:

-Machine guns, particularly the Madsen (cuz that's the one I used) are wayyyy too overpowered in close range. This was the situation at the most recent Ashikaga siege's last day:
You just have people from both sides fighting at banner, and out of nowhere a Taziaq or S3sniper pulled up with a Madsen right alongside their side's pvpers, spammed it randomly at the PvP crowd and the enemy health went down to one crit death in a matter of mere 2-3 seconds (at Max), not to say if multiple Madsen gunners came what crazy killing would happen.

-The more common issue, pillbox gunners for both attacker and defenders (more so op for attackers, cuz can't bomb their siege base), although it's a very leap of faith type change, I'm all for explosions enabling in entire siege base with required rollback at the end of the siege. Or atleast some other way to prevent this.

-Pistols are also pretty op, same situation as Madsen but not of as much intensity as madsens. They need fire rate/ammo per reload nerfed.

Plus basically all points that turtle mentioned in his comment above, these certain nerfs alongside a slight overall rifle damage nerf can make a fun environment for pvpers and gunners alike.

if guns get removed how tf are small nations supposed to defend themselves
they are just gonna get qd by 25+ pvpers

We're talking about nerfing them, not removing entirely

nerf guns = secondary weapons = no one uses them = toxic gank meta anarchy crystal pvpers logons

coalition strikes back with another copium suggestion after loosing ashikaga for the forth time

You may as well remove guns altogether if you want to nerf them back to the floor of N1. Atleast u don't give casual players false hope of being able to fight. People ask for rifles to be disabled by sword hits don't even realize you can't directly fire a rifle at someone in short-range (3-4 blocks) bc the trigger gets locked

rattly still toxic and disingenuous as usual

I mean, i’ve provided my answer to this above and have been called an npc that sucks in everything so… idk how i am being toxic or disingenuous lol if guns become secondary agains ccnet will become unplayable again (trapezica siege)

Guns already are secondaries, they function as support. Give me a sword instead of a gun any time of the week for close range combat because the odds of winning with a pistol are low.


The issue many sword pvpers see is rifles being spammed from rooftops I believe. Nobody is foolish enough to use guns as their primary weapon in banner combat I hope.

HAHAHA FRAM OH MY BRO i though u were smarter

jacky ur the only person who consistently gets killed just by gun damage and that is a skill issue, not guns being op

Look at my first comment, that makes guns still very viable and not as bad as they used to be either, just not overpowered, there is a middle ground and that is what should be worked towards. Stop blindly just calling it a "coalition suggestion" or "nerf guns = toxic meta" and give actual arguments against the nerfs i suggested

Went from remove guns to "uhm ahctually we just want to nerf them"
Coalition played us like mumbling fools

i legit said nerf and remove is same for me.

ran out of arguments and now ur saying to downvote cause it says remove instead of nerf

A dictionary would say otherwise
Nerfing and removal is two completely different things
"Wahh you ran out of arguments" stop crying like a baby and brush up on your literacy
Wouldn't expect a minecraft player to be orate to begin with
Oh yeah fuck everyone who doesnt live in europe and has high ping, make spread even worse for those poor gals
Boo hoo come up with something better ijustcall

i wouldnt really want guns to be completely removed since it makes ccnet kinda unique, but they should definitely be nerfed heavily. There are a lot of ways to do this like getting hit by sword makes you not be able to use guns for a few secs, using guns gives you some big slowness or makes you stand still, maybe put scopes on snipers so you can only use them in extremely long range and not like 5 spamming at your face pressing S from like 5-10 blocks away, or maybe even make it such that you can only either carry a sword or a gun though that wouldnt solved the problem much since the gunners camp in boxes anyway, setting their recoil very high, just carrying gun in hand also give you slowness etc. There are countless ways to nerf or optimise them which can be also be discussed

I was gonna write about how dumb this suggestion is, but then i saw that its from 12 months ago, idk why the suggestions bot made it show up today but alr

Lmao so true

Keepin it alive

Guns should be disversified in a way that focuses on making guns unique rather than having more for the sake of it. They should each have drawbacks and advantages to use and balanced against other guns. The issue isnt guns take no skill, its that they are not satisfying. CCnet must persue non vanilla combat. A low skill ceiling isnt inherently bad and pvpers need to get a grip and stop being salty over a more inclusive server. The truth is most folk arnt pvpers and therefore guns present a familiarity ppl enjoy.

Most guns are fine as they are rn but the long range ones need nerfing because you cant so much to counter gunspammers in a deepslate box

Linn I dont think guns need nerf headshots dont stack anymore and u can just breach deepslate box with canon and get some pvper to go kill enemyes sience most people who use guns arent best at pvp.

you can just snipe ppl back in their deepslate boxes, thats what i did in livland and had no issues

i think gunspammers in a deepslate box fold pretty quickly when a cannon destroys their deepslate box.