Agreed, impossible to kill horses with the current state of the reinforced horse amour.

horses deal the same damage as me take 90% less damage and run hella fast. the fact that you need 5 people to have a chance of killing 1 guy on a horse is insane.

i agree horses are immortal

Using 20 horses in a banner leaves every1 immortal, not even other horses can kill them, just do normal pvp without horses

i can provide links if staff are curious on how op the reinforced armor on horses are

If it does get nerfed at the very least reduce the damage that movecraft and cannons do to them because they drop in like two seconds

Thats the point of IFV and cannons klepto to kill players and horses

zimo the point is not to 2 tap them

if it gets nerfed it would be nice to get horse armor that makes you deal less damage but also makes you take less damage

I agree, you need like 5/6 players in order to kill a single player that is using a horse with reinforce armor or need to take out tanks. Also i think horse's armors should have durability

If you say that horses are overpowered, why not use them?
I know why: cuz you cant.

Horse pvp is a thing that is introduced in the server. It is a separate skill that needs to be learned and trained. Usually people who arent on the level of pot pvp to compete with t3 pvpers, and dont always wanna use movecrafts, use horse pvp. It is hard. Hard to aim, hard to see. and it can be killed.
Horses were nerfed by terms of speed several times. if you nerf them more, horse pvp will be gone.

This is a War Game. in real life, horses beet multiple troops. This doesnt need a change

You cant argue against horses taking very little damage to the point of you not having to use healing potions at nearly the same rate as sword users. But that same thing can be said about gun users too. Rather than just looking at how much damage they take one should look at the overall contribution, however no one can measure that with accuracy since there is no server side statistics that track it.

If them having multiple great stats at the same time is too much it would be great if we can choose to opt for 2 out of 3 that we want. Speed Survivability and Damage. I personally prefer Speed and Survivability gameplay of horses but some others prefer to go in and do damage. It would be a big loss to remove half of the horse mechanics with a poorly thought out nerf

Immortal, super fast, jumping up on crazy heights, not taking any knockback, not getting stunned, boosting sword damage, hiding players hitboxes from guns... There is nothing to calculate or think or compare to anything, just looking at what those horse people do is pretty much enough. They climb on forts and are totally invincible as you cant catch them they just teleport around with crazy speed and jump height and infinite HP and you have no chances to do anything about them. Or they simply focus people near the banner one by one until they re out of potions and die or resort to jumping into the gank to survive. And they do that while they dont give a heck about 5 guys critting them out in the meantime because well they are immortal and they just phase around with their hitboxes. In addition they deal huge amount of damage and they do not take any sort of knockback and the stuns that they receive can be easily avoided mostly by jumping. Not to forget that the hitboxes of the horse riders are broken, if you want to see if that is true ask a friend to ride a horse and try to shoot the rider with a gun you won't manage to if you shoot at the player himself, you need to shoot at the middle of the horse thats also contributing to their immortality.

You do know that horses are slower when wearing reinforced and diamond armour, right?

You mean the 2.1 speed reduction in a 14 speed horse? That gets bypassed regardless through a speed 2 splash potion bringing the horse to 18 speed?

i'd go one step further and say we should outright remove reinforced armour. invincible horses aren't skill or part of a war game like suggested - they just aren't fun

Instead of nerfing the horse armor, perhaps make a counter. Possibly Tridents? Would be cool to see them used, and would make sense in the form of a "javelin"

yes tridents need some use anything!

how about if the javelin successfully hits the player he gets knocked off the horse? or would that be too op

My thought on the whole trident thing was that if hit it would "neigh" or extremely slow the horse for a while, and increase the damage taken to the horse for a short period of time(with a debuff cooldown to prevent stacking and spamming)