the four dislikes are Kapitan_MMA, S3sniper, mr_S0P and xtinc

Trash trash trash trash trash solutions, u got a good point, AA trucks are useless, they get one tapped due to the broken damage fighters do, and even with further more damage nerfs the AA gun would get one tapped, theres one tactic that works against fighters, and that is using fighters and rush the zeppelin before enemy does, no AA trucks, no tanks no ifvs, its class countered by class and there aint any other way, i dont think you can ner fighters cannons, they already do 1 block dmg and i dont think u can reduce/nerf it without making it fire more like 50cal, so the only possible solution there is without removing fighters or making them completrly useless, is add a new cannon type instead of fast firing, low damage large max big firate cannons which oblirate anything thats not terracotta, whoever says random bullshit like "i could ez sink it with AA truck or heavy tank" stop the cap, theyre broken and sometimes deal f*ck ton of damage to players.

(Wrote it in 2m without checking grammar)

You are now saying this because it gets used against u and ur coping but when u were abusing the small cannons at songhai u weren't complaining. Explain???

To add to what Rattly has written. The fact is fighters are now being spammed in place of everything else. They are cheaper and require little skill to use. Are incredibly powerful as Rattly mentioned and they're so prolific that it has completely prevented any tank battles from tanking place recently. As anybody who takes out tanks will simply lose them to a hand full of fighters.
Any tank battles will need to be by mutual arrangement, which is not conducive to balanced gameplay. And not only that they have even absorbed the traditional role of bombers. In the sense that they are not just Anti Aircraft vehicles anymore. They are now actively destroying heavier vehicles such as Heavy Tanks and can even destroy Dreadnoughts (though it is much harder to do this) So here is a list of all the crafts made more or less useless by fighters
1. Heavy Tanks (their only real use is capping at the sahara siege region now)
2. AA Trucks. Their original purpose was to bring down airplanes and Zeppelins. However fighters are too powerful for this to work.
3. Bombers. Fighters do everything they did and better. I suppose Bombers might be better against ships due to having torpedoes and whatnot. But even so. Fighters are quicker and the way they move makes them harder to hit.

Shut, everyone abuses everything, server just being bad, japs abuse fighters, gne cannone, subs, whatever, just fockin unban me from discord server zaify

Also if they are so easy to build then u can just counter them by making fighters urself right? This is just a skill issue rather than a suggestion

And thats the thing, who tf is gonna use the other classes when fighters are the meta, and ur suggesting fighters get countered by fighters.

TBH U rattly are complaining about this but u werent when u and your nation was abusing other things

Welcome to ccnet, cope

B D and of course E are effectively removing them from the game and making them useless. Cause of this I believe option A and C would be far better as it would increase the skill cap but not actually "nerf" the fighter for those that know how to use it, nevermind the realism aspect.

I'm on board with A, C and D.

A is the most interesting proposal.

C would work but sounds somewhat obnoxious.

I personally don't have many issues with D. It was not originally intended for fighters to operate around zeppelins; aircraft carriers were supposed to take the centre stage. But I understand this is a popular feature, so I won't die on that hill.

Why this be nerfed :/ fighters are good can yall even use fighters :/ bre???
Rattlly? u can use fighters or no? u want to win a war then use one :/

bro jay shut up u dont even know the pain of fighting a fighter. They litterally burst all vehicle that has no terracotta. And the part where fighters stop midair is so stupid and unrealistic. hey zaift if yk, i got a suggestion for anti air missiles ;) ;) hehe

My idea is to add more ways to sink s fighter effectively, cuz that shitty AA truck doesnt one tap but gets one tapped, and add different cannons for fighter, the current ones pretty sure cant be nerfed more, its just bad cannon, give em rockets or sth

sounds like a skill issue

Dude Fighters are already had to man with support craft why remove Zeppelins from it? If anything I think they should be more independent but nerfed

Like the logistical pain of having to get 2 pilots 24/7 to pilot one and how easy zeps are to pop is already hard imagine making it impossible, effectively the craft class would die (like corvs did)

berry, the range on zeps is 400 blocks till u even gonna be able to see the zeppelin you'll sink from the fighters

everyone against this suggestion is the active abusers of this mechanic :skull:
I won't even take time to answer to them as its useless, fighting fighters is impossible not a "skill issue"

if zaify is willing to listen i can explain how fighters are perfectly balanced but i dont wanna explain it cause otherwise people will know the ez counter methods that they havent found out yet. Also jets now did no damage to players, in sahara 3 jets shot at one guy for 15 min and he died from getting killed after his amour broke. so fighter damage isnt alot. it is alot harder to destroy tanks now and the range of a zeppelin with fighters are ridiculously hard to work with. just because u cant pilot fighters well enough to sink ours doesnt mean they should be nerfed. and equivalent example is pvpers. just because gimabis is a good pvper shouldnt mean u should nerf gimabis's damage, there are still ways u can kill him u just gotta think out of the box. if u find jets that op why dont u use them urself. i admit they where a bit op but now they are balanced and just have good pilots who know how to use them. Also jets are mostly one shot from a heavy tank its just how well designed they are and how good of a shot u get, for example my S3heavyjet is a one shot from most cannon shells because it is designed for fighting against naval boats and gun spammers. the S3siegejet can survive 2-3 heavy tank shells (depending where u hit but mainly 2) but is prone to getting gunspammed. so when u design a jet to be perfect against one thing u balance it by having a weakness in the other. this also applies to tanks, u can design tanks to be jet proof but it is then weak against tanks and u can design tanks to be strong against tanks but then it will be weak against jets. about aa trucks, aa trucks give no points at sieges so u only risk loosing supplies, its also about the design and the pilot. i struggle to sink melkron in his AA truck design and his piloting because he moves while firing and has a good design unlike nordic aa trucks which are small and stay still while firing. furthermore when doing tactic training with japan members we have come up with many different ways to counter up to 4 jets without using other jets and only using 2 land based crafts. So please before u nerf something again decide if it is the craft being op or just the enemy being unskilled and unaware on how to counter it. Zaify if u want me to go into more detail about tactics and other facts that prove they are balanced feel free to dm me :)

my answer to each point:
A: this would limit the skill base because the main factor i see when fighting other less skilled pilots are their inability to fly and aim and fire at the same time (the sahara before the last one the jets stopped to fire and didnt keep moving). instead make it so that the jets cant cruise in the direction u look and instead make them have similar mechanics to dreadnoughts which would be more realistic.
B: no the damage has been already nerfed enough, it took 50 seconds of constant drilling to the back of a heavytank in the tobruk siege before it sunk and in that time they started shooting at me with another heavytank. this shows its more a skill issue then a op issue.
C: no because then the smaller the fighter the better which shouldnt be the case. this also means no skill can be put towards the designing process so yet again would just close the skill gap more
D: if ur going to do this u have to heavily boost the carrier range but still you shouldnt do this because the range is already small enough and when the jet is exposed to combat the zeppelin is mostly always in sight, if it is not then the jets dont have that much movement range and can easily be stuck in the air due to the zep not being close enough (this is how i got sunk in sahara and in the tobruk siege)
E: no this is dumb fighters are an important part of movecraft combat and bombers are limited to only a few situations due to their slow speed and how easy it is to dodge their attacks.

conclusion:
The best way u could nerf fighters fairly is to make them unable to cruise in all directions and make them instead like dreadnought movement rn. this would require more skilled pilots and make dodging shots harder, you could also increase the speed shells travel at so fast reaction times wouldnt effect if you dodge or not and only be based on how well the enemy aims (yes ik this removes some of the skill aspect on our side but im willing to loose something to make sure fighters still are relevant). If you want to counter fighters u have to get skilled pilots, that is the way thracia and japan has been countering all your jet attempts (kamilkars pacific attempt using jets, they had unskilled pilots and we sunk all their jets only loosing one of ours and sahara, when we where in range of the zeppelin we sunk all of their jets. they also figured out ways to counter our jets which worked but stopped working due to communication and addaption on japans side, we move a jet under the zeppelin to stay there at all times)

also about not wierd guys comment they are not cheap, ammo is expensive and so is fuel. and so are the zeps or aircraft carriers we put at risk when in combat. i feel like anti air missiles would be a good counter but then you would have to include flares and the thing shooting them would need to give battle points if sunk. and fighters are not the only thing that can counter fighters, nearly everything can counter fighters if ur skilled enough.

bro this is the dumbest article i’ve read

First off you completely ignored the fact that the best counter to fighters, are more fighters.

Secondly fighters require skill to pilot, if you are someone like me who gets an average of 250 ping even if i’m using the NA proxy you have to adapt the way you pilot the craft to compensate for your ping, that and knowing strategies of attack are why I think that fighters require skill.

Finally, A good dread pilot can shoot a fighter out of the sky in 2-4 shots.


tbh it kinda just sounds like ur malding bcuz you can’t beat fighters in war

sniper you shot yourself in the foot with your answer, a tank should take atleast 5/6 mins of combat before sinking, not 50 seconds

A: you don't fire while moving, you fire while hovering like an helicopter which is unrealistic and cringe
B: read answer above
C: its already the case, you use small cheap fighters that you can shit out like explosive diarrhea
D: fighters were meant to fight dreads (dmg wise) that have big armor and small hit points and its the only combat part that makes sense for them to have the stats they have rn.
E: that was tought to be a last resort if a fix isn't found

Fighter ammo is cheap enough for any big nation/town as iron is common.

Rattly. The reason why I didn't move was cause there was no need, I was not getting shot at, and when that other tank rotated around I moved strait away. The reason why I don't move around u is because I am in no risk of getting killed. They are not small and cheap they are nearly maxed size, the reason why we make so many is cause it is much smaller then a tank so can be made quicker, just like an aa truck could. Fighter ammo isn't expensive because of the iron but rather the carbon that can use large amounts of diamonds or coal for only a few stacks of fighter ammo. Fighters are not just to fight dreadnoughts that's just dumb, fighters irl don't fight most naval boats and are mainly used in land combat in airstrikes and destroying enemy crafts, like tanks. The reason why I sunk u so fast is cause u where standing still doing nothing while I was shooting u, also ur tank was not designed to defend against jets in any way so had no problem drilling through only concrete. Yet again providing evidence that this is due to a high skill gap and not a op problem. You would know all of this if u even used fighters but u don't. Which furthermore proves my point that rattly doesn't know shit about fighters cause he doesn't ever use them.

Also ur a terrible tank pilot if it takes u 5 mins to sink a tank

Remove fighters!!! Justice for Tanks!!! Hail Emperor abr!!!

I think you should stop fighting rattlyy and devolp your town/nation buddy

bruh no way im reading all this crap, but yall are probably wrong from the 5 sentences i read, dreads can ez counter fighters cuz its a f*cking dread that is like 100x the size of the fighter lmfao, trucks are one tap, tanks are ez to sink (legit sunk 3 heavy tanks at sahara with single fighter and i dont even use fighter at all) stop saying "oh no its so ez to sink fighter just shoot it with tank or something" fighter is fast, it can dodge, takes like 5s to reload and like 6s to rotate the tank, which is plenty of time to get the heavy tank confused and let the fighter drill it from side or back, dont even dare putting ships into this argument thats completely different thing, yet still fighters shred ship hulls aswell, and it aint even that hard to disable the AA guns since it requires one shot, out of 40 in your mag, also fighter gun ammo is one of the cheapest ammo out there idk what ur on, and 50s is not even alot to sink a heavy tank with fighter u literally just confirmed theyre broken wtf, i dont think new cruising system for fighters, or any movement resitrictions, removing zepp from the list, is gonna fix the fact that they literally do overpowered damage towards every craft, considering they are legit 100 BLOCKS large

ok, i have just read snipers first essay and i can confidently say, all of it is a f*cking cap LMFAO, u cant sink a fighter with AA truck, because it takes multiple shots, but only 1 hit from fighter to disable the AA gun, and like 10 shots to sink it, there aint no movement trick against fighters with truck, ur just super bad if u get sunk by a truck, and that hillarious invalid argument that it takes 1 shell to sink a fighter (+ 5 seconds to fire, + extremely fast speed, + the fighter constantly trying to get behind you with 1s rotation cooldown + the fact u mostly wont even get an angle to fire at it) and pls dont say melkron sunk u with a heavy tank, that'd just make u a worse fighter pilot than me, and also as we have talked about this millions of millions time before, a craft should not be able to be only countered by the same craft, but different crafts aswell (which it can but very much impossibly) might be just skill issue, might be just a fix or another bug, but fighters shredded people, and i hope this crap got fixed

(Also all crafts require skill to pilot, fighters are just as any other crafts, except that u spam rotate and scroll ur hotbar 24/7)

sniper thinking that a tank should sink in 50s is the prime example of how fighters disconnected his brain from reality

fighters are corvette meta on steroids, small and cheap crafts that deal a fuckton of damage and are impossible to counter, corvette meta killed naval sieges and fighters will do the same with land sieges too

plus any other chatter here is useless as this suggestion was already approved and fighters WILL be nerfed

hey, not impossible to counter, u can use fighters but its annoying asf combat

Yet again nearly every craft can and has countered fighters it's just a skill issue. Also yeah they are slightly op rn because they can cruise in all directions maybe if they only moved forward it would be easier to shoot them down. So finally the people with bad aim can stop crying

can counter, and being able to counter are 2 different things, u can counter a dreadnought with a single cannon, but will u be able to counter it? no not really, u can counter a fighter with heavy tank, will u though? no cuz u wont even get an angle

>abuse fighters
>actually no, abuse every movecraft in every single siege
>thats nordic empire for ya
>abuse guns with spamming it with 30people all at once
need more?
>abuse canister shots to insta-kill everyone who gets hit
i would list more ngl now this guy is coping hard that we used fighters,if fighters need a nerf just cuz a guy that MASTERED it used it in a way it should've been used
nordics smh :skull:

dude, who are u u dont use movecraft, they fr are broken

Qu1ck3l ur so cringe, stop using 4chan formats to write bs and make a sensible argument instead of "hurr durr abuse"

Qu1ck3l, don't talk if you know zero about movecraft pls